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		<title>by: NY_1BR</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-95606</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: 05ec495ec3a929b6846a143913181bd7</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-81698</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: SoCalMtgGuy</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-44996</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>nycinvestor...

I don't know how long you have read my blog...but I have said many times that if you can afford to put money down, get a fixed rate loan, plan to stay a while, and realize that property values might go down in the meantime, then go ahead and buy.

I don't doubt what you are saying about aspects of the NYC markets.  I don't doubt that a 300k property would be offered 1.5 mil if there was a chance a pro team was going to be arriving in the neighborhood...that would happen anywhere in this country for the most part.

The main point of this blog to to let people know what is going on out there, and make the best decision for themselves and their families.  

Thanks for stopping by!

SoCalMtgGuy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nycinvestor&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how long you have read my blog&#8230;but I have said many times that if you can afford to put money down, get a fixed rate loan, plan to stay a while, and realize that property values might go down in the meantime, then go ahead and buy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt what you are saying about aspects of the NYC markets.  I don&#8217;t doubt that a 300k property would be offered 1.5 mil if there was a chance a pro team was going to be arriving in the neighborhood&#8230;that would happen anywhere in this country for the most part.</p>
<p>The main point of this blog to to let people know what is going on out there, and make the best decision for themselves and their families.  </p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by!</p>
<p>SoCalMtgGuy
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		<title>by: nycinvestor</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-44976</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>hi 
first time posting on this website. I started investing in realestate in early 2004. My parents home which they bought for 220k in 1991 was valued at 660k. We had a loan balance of 75k. I refinanced the loan into a fixed rate 20 year 5.62%. I then took out a home equity line of credit for 200k at 4.50% or so. i used the 200k to purchase a property in early 2004 for 485k. I am currently trying to sell the property with a realestate agent. It was put on the market for 685k. After two months i was informed that many buyers were interested but the price was too high. So we dropped it to 625k and i got a couple offers for 600k. So yes the market in NY is not what it used to be but i still belive that the market is strong. Their are billions of dollars being spent in huge projects all over. Some will be started in 2007 &#38; 2008. Yes their not selling so high or so fast but they are still selling. 

Back to the home equity line, the interest rate peaked at 8.5%. But we got offered to refinance with citibank ( being very aggresive in the market todaY ) FOR 6.99% FIXED 20 YEARS no closing costs.In 2004 the house was appraised for 660k in 2005 740k in 2006 by a bank hired appraiser at 840k. What is going on, will a bank offer to give you a no closing cost loan to refinance your existing loan  and extra cash if it was following newer stricter guidlines??

I dont know about the cal market but the NY market is still very strong. Another example, i bought a piece of manufacturing zoned land in late 2005 for $ 300k. I wanted to eventually build a warehouse for my buisness. Now im getting offers of 1.5 million because they MIGHT be constructing a new NETS stadium in the area. So what are we to think. Yes there is a bubble in some areas and in some cases. But if an individual bought with money down and a fixed long term rate loan. Their much safer then the other WACKO loans. 

Realestate is a nice investment but its not for everyone. People have to decide if its for them or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi<br />
first time posting on this website. I started investing in realestate in early 2004. My parents home which they bought for 220k in 1991 was valued at 660k. We had a loan balance of 75k. I refinanced the loan into a fixed rate 20 year 5.62%. I then took out a home equity line of credit for 200k at 4.50% or so. i used the 200k to purchase a property in early 2004 for 485k. I am currently trying to sell the property with a realestate agent. It was put on the market for 685k. After two months i was informed that many buyers were interested but the price was too high. So we dropped it to 625k and i got a couple offers for 600k. So yes the market in NY is not what it used to be but i still belive that the market is strong. Their are billions of dollars being spent in huge projects all over. Some will be started in 2007 &amp; 2008. Yes their not selling so high or so fast but they are still selling. </p>
<p>Back to the home equity line, the interest rate peaked at 8.5%. But we got offered to refinance with citibank ( being very aggresive in the market todaY ) FOR 6.99% FIXED 20 YEARS no closing costs.In 2004 the house was appraised for 660k in 2005 740k in 2006 by a bank hired appraiser at 840k. What is going on, will a bank offer to give you a no closing cost loan to refinance your existing loan  and extra cash if it was following newer stricter guidlines??</p>
<p>I dont know about the cal market but the NY market is still very strong. Another example, i bought a piece of manufacturing zoned land in late 2005 for $ 300k. I wanted to eventually build a warehouse for my buisness. Now im getting offers of 1.5 million because they MIGHT be constructing a new NETS stadium in the area. So what are we to think. Yes there is a bubble in some areas and in some cases. But if an individual bought with money down and a fixed long term rate loan. Their much safer then the other WACKO loans. </p>
<p>Realestate is a nice investment but its not for everyone. People have to decide if its for them or not.
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		<title>by: Eugene T</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-44925</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>@SoCalMtgGuy. RE: Trusting your own 'people'

I'm from the Bay Area. And have been looking at buying and now am waiting to see how all this unfolds.

During my initial search I came across this situation which left a bad taste in my mouth. I was looking at a townhome during and openhouse and had a very aggressive and slimy agent. Not only did he want to service the seller and buyer (me). He even told me if I got everything ie. agent/loan through him that he would give a 'courtesy' fee to my current agent who was representing me at the time.

What really annonyed me was because he was telling me how low his seller was willing to take and that since the seller just recently paid a 18k special assement that the place was a good buy. I should offer x amount and he can presuade his seller to accept.

Apparently, because I and he were asian, it would be something that I would be interested in getting the best deal out of his seller. I got the hell out of dodge ASAP. His seller was asian btw.

Best part about this he kept calling/sending me emails about other properties later and then saying how he can even get the seller to go lower than the numbers he talked about during the open-houde. (I thought that was my agent's job). He finally STFU when I reminded him that the special assesment that has been paid for by the seller and listed as a 'bonus' means that the hoa has not been doing their job properly. The HOA was like $380 a month.

His badgering has since then stopped.... 

I've got other stories where the moment I walk into an openhouse the RE agent upon seeing me will start talking about how good a school district is.

"Fricking bay-area asians playing the race card...." 

This is ironic and funny as all hell, As these were the exact words used by me and my RE agent. Why ironic/funny? I'm Malaysian and she is Phillipino.

I think I'm going to fold and sit out the next few hands like everyone here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SoCalMtgGuy. RE: Trusting your own &#8216;people&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from the Bay Area. And have been looking at buying and now am waiting to see how all this unfolds.</p>
<p>During my initial search I came across this situation which left a bad taste in my mouth. I was looking at a townhome during and openhouse and had a very aggressive and slimy agent. Not only did he want to service the seller and buyer (me). He even told me if I got everything ie. agent/loan through him that he would give a &#8216;courtesy&#8217; fee to my current agent who was representing me at the time.</p>
<p>What really annonyed me was because he was telling me how low his seller was willing to take and that since the seller just recently paid a 18k special assement that the place was a good buy. I should offer x amount and he can presuade his seller to accept.</p>
<p>Apparently, because I and he were asian, it would be something that I would be interested in getting the best deal out of his seller. I got the hell out of dodge ASAP. His seller was asian btw.</p>
<p>Best part about this he kept calling/sending me emails about other properties later and then saying how he can even get the seller to go lower than the numbers he talked about during the open-houde. (I thought that was my agent&#8217;s job). He finally STFU when I reminded him that the special assesment that has been paid for by the seller and listed as a &#8216;bonus&#8217; means that the hoa has not been doing their job properly. The HOA was like $380 a month.</p>
<p>His badgering has since then stopped&#8230;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got other stories where the moment I walk into an openhouse the RE agent upon seeing me will start talking about how good a school district is.</p>
<p>&#8220;Fricking bay-area asians playing the race card&#8230;.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is ironic and funny as all hell, As these were the exact words used by me and my RE agent. Why ironic/funny? I&#8217;m Malaysian and she is Phillipino.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to fold and sit out the next few hands like everyone here.
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		<title>by: NY_1BR</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-44700</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Love the writing.  
We know you called it.  
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We know you called it.<br />
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		<title>by: SoCalMtgGuy</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-44683</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jack Bauer...

Yup...the option-ARM makes a lot of money for the brokers.  You might like this post from a year ago...where I spelled out exactly how they 'sell' the 3yr pre-pay penalty.

&lt;a href="http://anotherfuckedborrower.blogspot.com/2005/11/honeyim-gonna-buy-whole-farm-just-got.html"&gt;option ARM Post&lt;/a&gt; 

Thanks for reading my blog!

SoCalMtgGuy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Bauer&#8230;</p>
<p>Yup&#8230;the option-ARM makes a lot of money for the brokers.  You might like this post from a year ago&#8230;where I spelled out exactly how they &#8217;sell&#8217; the 3yr pre-pay penalty.</p>
<p><a href="http://anotherfuckedborrower.blogspot.com/2005/11/honeyim-gonna-buy-whole-farm-just-got.html">option ARM Post</a> </p>
<p>Thanks for reading my blog!</p>
<p>SoCalMtgGuy
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		<title>by: Jack Bauer</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-44680</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am a Mortgage Broker on the East Coast...  Just refinanced an older woman in her late 60's early 70's...  She was thrown into an Option Arm within the last year... She had no clue that her balance was going backwards... Her Loan was about 200k so i am sure some broker/lender who Pushes these option Arms told her how great this was for her while knowing he can make a MINT off of pushing her into it... These Option arms pay so much YSP to us Brokers so people are offering them up left and right to people who just dont understand it.. Thank god this little old lady was in the State Of NJ b/c there is No prepayment Penalty allowed so I was able to get her into a standard 30 yr fixed  below 7.00% 

Not to Pat myself on the Back.. But my small firm refuses to offer this Product even to someone who claims to understand it.. The Ysp is GREAT with 3 yr prepays But no thanks.... I have no interest in being involved in class action lawsuitsa in 2007-2008

Love your site    Keep it up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Mortgage Broker on the East Coast&#8230;  Just refinanced an older woman in her late 60&#8217;s early 70&#8217;s&#8230;  She was thrown into an Option Arm within the last year&#8230; She had no clue that her balance was going backwards&#8230; Her Loan was about 200k so i am sure some broker/lender who Pushes these option Arms told her how great this was for her while knowing he can make a MINT off of pushing her into it&#8230; These Option arms pay so much YSP to us Brokers so people are offering them up left and right to people who just dont understand it.. Thank god this little old lady was in the State Of NJ b/c there is No prepayment Penalty allowed so I was able to get her into a standard 30 yr fixed  below 7.00% </p>
<p>Not to Pat myself on the Back.. But my small firm refuses to offer this Product even to someone who claims to understand it.. The Ysp is GREAT with 3 yr prepays But no thanks&#8230;. I have no interest in being involved in class action lawsuitsa in 2007-2008</p>
<p>Love your site    Keep it up
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		<title>by: OC Appraiser</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-44638</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, Ladera is a hotbed for this kind of activity.  
In my estimation, and I've done tons of work in Ladera, I would have to say that the Ladera Ranch market has fallen more than any other market in OC, in terms of value.  I've come across some "pocket markets" in Ladera that were down 
15-20% from the peak in 2005.  There is a joke around my "legitimate" appraiser friends that Ladera is falling fastest, because half the owners in the entire community are either agents or mortgage brokers.  The flipping that is taking place in the newer Coventry Hills is rediculous.  Something like 2 years worth of inventory, if not more.  
With most of the mls listings stating "owner is licensed RE agent".  Its very important for appraisers to double check all the data in the mls against what the agents say.  And the prudent appraiser will leave out any sales (comps) that are not truly reflective of current market conditions.  
If something seems fishy, and all the comps say 500k, except for 2 that stick out like a sore thumb, leave out the 2, and just mention them in the report, after calling all the agents and asking questions.  Remember the def of market value considers the "typical buyer/seller", under "typical" condiitons.  10% cash back at closing is not typical, and is considered fraud if not disclosed by all parties.  A sale with a 10% kickback should NEVER be used as a comparable in an appraisal report.  Espeically in a data rich market like Orange County.  But to the number hitting, rubber stampers out there, its the inflated sales that allow them to tell clients that they can "hit" their number.  Because xyx comp says so.  And the cycle repeats itself over, and over.  That, my friends, is how a market runs up 20-30% per year lacking other fundamental market support.  And to think that people thought that it was because of the great OC weather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Ladera is a hotbed for this kind of activity.<br />
In my estimation, and I&#8217;ve done tons of work in Ladera, I would have to say that the Ladera Ranch market has fallen more than any other market in OC, in terms of value.  I&#8217;ve come across some &#8220;pocket markets&#8221; in Ladera that were down<br />
15-20% from the peak in 2005.  There is a joke around my &#8220;legitimate&#8221; appraiser friends that Ladera is falling fastest, because half the owners in the entire community are either agents or mortgage brokers.  The flipping that is taking place in the newer Coventry Hills is rediculous.  Something like 2 years worth of inventory, if not more.<br />
With most of the mls listings stating &#8220;owner is licensed RE agent&#8221;.  Its very important for appraisers to double check all the data in the mls against what the agents say.  And the prudent appraiser will leave out any sales (comps) that are not truly reflective of current market conditions.<br />
If something seems fishy, and all the comps say 500k, except for 2 that stick out like a sore thumb, leave out the 2, and just mention them in the report, after calling all the agents and asking questions.  Remember the def of market value considers the &#8220;typical buyer/seller&#8221;, under &#8220;typical&#8221; condiitons.  10% cash back at closing is not typical, and is considered fraud if not disclosed by all parties.  A sale with a 10% kickback should NEVER be used as a comparable in an appraisal report.  Espeically in a data rich market like Orange County.  But to the number hitting, rubber stampers out there, its the inflated sales that allow them to tell clients that they can &#8220;hit&#8221; their number.  Because xyx comp says so.  And the cycle repeats itself over, and over.  That, my friends, is how a market runs up 20-30% per year lacking other fundamental market support.  And to think that people thought that it was because of the great OC weather.
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		<title>by: SOCALAPPRAISER</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/reality-check/#comment-44634</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oc Appraiser,

Its only the really desperate, totally new or really stupid appraisers that do any shady business for a one time $350 ish fee.  Check out how many of these REO's and foreclosures were on the market on their original sales for example at $545k.  Mostly in 2005 these beauties sat on the market at the above price for 21 to 45 days then were all of a sudden pulled off the market.  They were relisted the next week @ 599k and sold in 3 to 7 days.  Smells and sounds like cash back to me.  Call the listing agents and see how nervous they get when you ask questions.  For certain the scumbag appraisers were in on it and I've seen plenty of them pull up in the MB 600 SL.  Now, not that a good appraiser can't hustle, build a business and drive his own MB 600 SL legitimately, but some 23 yr old Del Taco reject whose crooked uncle is the mortgage broker?  Please!  Check out Ladera Ranch.  Plenty of funny business going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oc Appraiser,</p>
<p>Its only the really desperate, totally new or really stupid appraisers that do any shady business for a one time $350 ish fee.  Check out how many of these REO&#8217;s and foreclosures were on the market on their original sales for example at $545k.  Mostly in 2005 these beauties sat on the market at the above price for 21 to 45 days then were all of a sudden pulled off the market.  They were relisted the next week @ 599k and sold in 3 to 7 days.  Smells and sounds like cash back to me.  Call the listing agents and see how nervous they get when you ask questions.  For certain the scumbag appraisers were in on it and I&#8217;ve seen plenty of them pull up in the MB 600 SL.  Now, not that a good appraiser can&#8217;t hustle, build a business and drive his own MB 600 SL legitimately, but some 23 yr old Del Taco reject whose crooked uncle is the mortgage broker?  Please!  Check out Ladera Ranch.  Plenty of funny business going on.
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