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		<title>by: Debt Reduction</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-699</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 04:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting thought on that one. I think I heard something similar the other day on another board. I can't remember where though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thought on that one. I think I heard something similar the other day on another board. I can&#8217;t remember where though.
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		<title>by: Peter P</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-349</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Indeed the needy would have to be last in line not first.&lt;/i&gt;

Very true. Credit will be extended only to those with wants but not needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Indeed the needy would have to be last in line not first.</i></p>
<p>Very true. Credit will be extended only to those with wants but not needs.
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		<title>by: Robert Coté</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-348</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Man, I want my blood sample back from my 1990 first (adjustable) mortgage application.  For the youngsters reading; a period of what would prove to be steadily declining rates.  At the damn closing the b@st@rds pulled out a condition of a "floor."  I said, "floor?" I'm getting an adjustable BECAUSE rates will go down MORE than that.  I was young, I signed anyway.  Sure enough rates floored out and I had to spend thousands to refi.  

My only consolation is today seeing people look at 14% "ceilings" in their mortgage agreements and laughing because rates will never go that high.  They will for the worst borrowers and who are considered the worst borrowers will steadily expand.  At this point I forsee an "assigned risk pool" for paper just like we see for auto insurance.  

SoCalMtgGuy sees the problem; mortgage rate relief cannot be given only to the "needy."  Indeed the needy would have to be last in line not first.  Those of us with the resources and experience and vision would kill all lending profitability with our transactions before the FBs got their first dime.  If I may, one of the biggest reasons refinancing, short sales, restructuring, etc. won't help is because the intermediaries are paid too much.  Any relief is adsorbed in the transaction loses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I want my blood sample back from my 1990 first (adjustable) mortgage application.  For the youngsters reading; a period of what would prove to be steadily declining rates.  At the damn closing the <a href="mailto:b@st@rds">b@st@rds</a> pulled out a condition of a &#8220;floor.&#8221;  I said, &#8220;floor?&#8221; I&#8217;m getting an adjustable BECAUSE rates will go down MORE than that.  I was young, I signed anyway.  Sure enough rates floored out and I had to spend thousands to refi.  </p>
<p>My only consolation is today seeing people look at 14% &#8220;ceilings&#8221; in their mortgage agreements and laughing because rates will never go that high.  They will for the worst borrowers and who are considered the worst borrowers will steadily expand.  At this point I forsee an &#8220;assigned risk pool&#8221; for paper just like we see for auto insurance.  </p>
<p>SoCalMtgGuy sees the problem; mortgage rate relief cannot be given only to the &#8220;needy.&#8221;  Indeed the needy would have to be last in line not first.  Those of us with the resources and experience and vision would kill all lending profitability with our transactions before the FBs got their first dime.  If I may, one of the biggest reasons refinancing, short sales, restructuring, etc. won&#8217;t help is because the intermediaries are paid too much.  Any relief is adsorbed in the transaction loses.
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		<title>by: SoCalMtgGuy</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-346</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-346</guid>
					<description>desidude,

All they are selling is to lock in a 30yr fixed today...before rates are higher tomorrow.  The conventional wisdom is that rates are going up...so don't wait, refi now.  If you wait, you will get a higher rate.  

They will say 'anything' to get in contact with people.  Most people don't know what kind of loan they have in the first place.
If they hear they can 'lower their payments' they will call.  Lots of people can't be 'helped' by lower payments at this time...but they won't know unless they call.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>desidude,</p>
<p>All they are selling is to lock in a 30yr fixed today&#8230;before rates are higher tomorrow.  The conventional wisdom is that rates are going up&#8230;so don&#8217;t wait, refi now.  If you wait, you will get a higher rate.  </p>
<p>They will say &#8216;anything&#8217; to get in contact with people.  Most people don&#8217;t know what kind of loan they have in the first place.<br />
If they hear they can &#8216;lower their payments&#8217; they will call.  Lots of people can&#8217;t be &#8216;helped&#8217; by lower payments at this time&#8230;but they won&#8217;t know unless they call.</p>
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		<title>by: desidude</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-345</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-345</guid>
					<description>socal,

I'm hearing ads by mortgage companies
"lower your  payment with our new 30 fixed mortgage"

what is the deal with that. it also says " interest rates are rising, dont get caught with higher payments"

whats up with that?

how can they promise to lower payments when some one switches over  to 30yr fixed from current adjustable rate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>socal,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hearing ads by mortgage companies<br />
&#8220;lower your  payment with our new 30 fixed mortgage&#8221;</p>
<p>what is the deal with that. it also says &#8221; interest rates are rising, dont get caught with higher payments&#8221;</p>
<p>whats up with that?</p>
<p>how can they promise to lower payments when some one switches over  to 30yr fixed from current adjustable rate?
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		<title>by: John S</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-344</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-344</guid>
					<description>If it makes anyone feel better, I got an old fashioned rectal exam on my last 30 yr fixed mortgage.  Of course, I was newly self-employed with no income history.  The broker hinted I should work at McDonalds for a few weeks to get the PITI in line.  But I really was busy as hell and couldn’t afford the time to flip burgers.  I finally showed them 6 months of invoices and a couple of long term contracts.  That plus the fact our FICO scores were/are in the 830s convinced them to give us the mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it makes anyone feel better, I got an old fashioned rectal exam on my last 30 yr fixed mortgage.  Of course, I was newly self-employed with no income history.  The broker hinted I should work at McDonalds for a few weeks to get the PITI in line.  But I really was busy as hell and couldn’t afford the time to flip burgers.  I finally showed them 6 months of invoices and a couple of long term contracts.  That plus the fact our FICO scores were/are in the 830s convinced them to give us the mortgage.
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		<title>by: Comrade Chairman Greenspan</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-343</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rodg said:
"At least MBSs have something backing them. US treasuries have no assets backing them and default has become unavoidable over the past few years. Consequently, FCBs started making a big shift from treasuries to Agencies and Corporate Debt last year."

I don't know - Treasuries represent future tax receipts so it's hard to imagine an outright default, though of course we can destroy the currency in which they're paid.

Fannie and Freddie, OTOH, have no explicit guarantees. If the MBSes default, are we going to let the Chinese and Japanese repossess all those houses?

As someone pointed out on Ben's blog a while back, maintaining the world's reserve currency is more valuable to the powers that be than bailing out Joe "Homeowner".

I too would like to know why FCBs have made this shift though. My guess is that we simply asked them to help bail out Fannie Mae if they wanted to keep the party going.

It seems to me, though, that FCBs are playing a similar role to the American public in the financial merry-go-round of the 1920s. Americans bought German bonds (which were SUPPOSEDLY backed by German assets), Germany paid reparations to the Allies, and the Allies paid their war debts to American bankers. The difference, of course, is that the bankers WERE getting repaid (in addition to their underwriting fees and sales commissions on the German bonds) while the public, as always, was left holding the bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodg said:<br />
&#8220;At least MBSs have something backing them. US treasuries have no assets backing them and default has become unavoidable over the past few years. Consequently, FCBs started making a big shift from treasuries to Agencies and Corporate Debt last year.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know - Treasuries represent future tax receipts so it&#8217;s hard to imagine an outright default, though of course we can destroy the currency in which they&#8217;re paid.</p>
<p>Fannie and Freddie, OTOH, have no explicit guarantees. If the MBSes default, are we going to let the Chinese and Japanese repossess all those houses?</p>
<p>As someone pointed out on Ben&#8217;s blog a while back, maintaining the world&#8217;s reserve currency is more valuable to the powers that be than bailing out Joe &#8220;Homeowner&#8221;.</p>
<p>I too would like to know why FCBs have made this shift though. My guess is that we simply asked them to help bail out Fannie Mae if they wanted to keep the party going.</p>
<p>It seems to me, though, that FCBs are playing a similar role to the American public in the financial merry-go-round of the 1920s. Americans bought German bonds (which were SUPPOSEDLY backed by German assets), Germany paid reparations to the Allies, and the Allies paid their war debts to American bankers. The difference, of course, is that the bankers WERE getting repaid (in addition to their underwriting fees and sales commissions on the German bonds) while the public, as always, was left holding the bag.
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		<title>by: foreclose_me</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-342</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't understand why you would move to US MBS or corp-debt if you are worried about default on treasuries.  Won't a treasury default have an equal-or-greater impact on anything denominated in USD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you would move to US MBS or corp-debt if you are worried about default on treasuries.  Won&#8217;t a treasury default have an equal-or-greater impact on anything denominated in USD?
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		<title>by: FirstTimeBuyer</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-341</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks SoCalMtgGuy</description>
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		<title>by: BigDaddy63</title>
		<link>http://housingbubblecasualty.com/big-mortgageslittle-documentation/#comment-340</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The reaon the "system" doesn't care is that the GSE's repackage them into REMIC's and CMO's that eventually get pawned off back on the investing public. This "diverts" the liability from the GSE to Mom &#38; Pop public. Brokers sell these "quasi guaranteed" bonds to unsuspecting investors touting the "implied AAA" rating. If you are anyone you know has been in the financial industry, even the "experts' have NO clue as to how these things perform and the risks involved. I remember about 15 years ago a MAJOR brokerage firm had to pay hundreds of million to investors and fines because a mutual fund they launched simply blew up. They sold it as a "CD ALTERNATIVE". The darn thing lost over 12% in 6 months when rates started to back up.  

What is amazing is the scandal at FNMA and FHLMC. They have not filed SEC docs and their earnings are suspect to say the least. That is the real time bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reaon the &#8220;system&#8221; doesn&#8217;t care is that the GSE&#8217;s repackage them into REMIC&#8217;s and CMO&#8217;s that eventually get pawned off back on the investing public. This &#8220;diverts&#8221; the liability from the GSE to Mom &amp; Pop public. Brokers sell these &#8220;quasi guaranteed&#8221; bonds to unsuspecting investors touting the &#8220;implied AAA&#8221; rating. If you are anyone you know has been in the financial industry, even the &#8220;experts&#8217; have NO clue as to how these things perform and the risks involved. I remember about 15 years ago a MAJOR brokerage firm had to pay hundreds of million to investors and fines because a mutual fund they launched simply blew up. They sold it as a &#8220;CD ALTERNATIVE&#8221;. The darn thing lost over 12% in 6 months when rates started to back up.  </p>
<p>What is amazing is the scandal at FNMA and FHLMC. They have not filed SEC docs and their earnings are suspect to say the least. That is the real time bomb.
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